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Financial Story of the Inaugural Lindy Bop

Have you ever wondered about the financials of running an event? Max S, Von B and I (Kenny N) would like to share the details of running Lindy Bop, an event we co-organized together February, 2025.

Why Lindy Bop?

Lindy Bop was conceived to be a safe space for those that value Black history, solidarity with workers, internationalism, accessibility, liberation and joy. Three distinct elements brought these aspects forward:

  • The event copy - “Come dance and celebrate Black History, Black Ourstory, and Black Futures!”

  • An accessibility guide

  • Max’s welcoming speech centering the night on freedom with each other, liberation and joy

Financial Breakdown

We hope that providing this event’s financial transparency might also inspire others to run their swing events centering Black American social dances. Please note that we collectively decided to donate profits to The Abolition Garden and the instructors chose to donate their time.

For payment convenience, we provided three in-person payment methods - credit card, venmo and cash along with a pre-purchase option via Humanitix instead of Eventbrite since we value their mission-forward platform. Although we set the ticket prices low to increase financial accessibility, if we were to repeat this event in the future, we would consider the practicality of sliding scale ticket prices so that anyone who wants to attend can.

The Labor Involved

Additional labor included designing social media posts using Canva, creating marketing copy, sending out at least one email newsletter, sharing the event with friends and acquaintances, recruiting volunteers, prepping class material, bringing PA equipment and planning safe space contingency plans. 

In summary

Another note is that our event ended up running during a heavy snowfall which led to reduced attendance. In the end, we felt fulfilled and gladdened about our collaborative event.





Exploring 6 vs 8-Count Patterns

A Redditor recently posed the questions on the r/swingdancing sub-reddit -

“Since many students have asked for it, we will teach a class (beg/int level) with this topic: How do dancers recognize the difference between 6 and 8 count steps?

Our final goal is to understand: It is not about 6 or 8, it is just about: Is the next one a step-step or a triple step.

How do you approach this topic? Any good excercises, you would teach? Any good ressources/videos which would help us to prepare this class?”

Here are some thoughts we had and shared:

  • dance to lots of music, giving students freedom to explore

  • walk the room, making observations, personally noting success with students, making inquiries when it appears that the outcome was different than one of the partners may have been wanting for themself and explore that.

  • acknowledge that how you make African-American rhythms visible on the dance floor (Jacqui S. Malone's definition of vernacular) is up to the individual though you'll provide rhythm ideas as the teacher

  • one place where we discuss rhythm choices is the passby - it can be accomplished with the QQSS rhythm or QQS triple step or QQ triple step triple step rhythms.

  • a place for decisions related to the length of a pattern likely along with rhythm choices is the send out and gather. You could do a send out much like an 8 count gliding step made linear where the indication to keep going is the leader adding to the momentum to get a walk walk. And for the students, it's good to note that we're co-creators in this event rather than having "gotcha!" moments.

For a visual example on how the second to last suggestion is employed, we have this recap video of our Beginner Lindy Hop class where we’re teaching a variety of patterns, rhythms and dances. Note that the triple step on the passby is a choice either partner can make and it might feel like a call to the other partner to respond to. Whether you do or not, is up to you!

So what do you think of our suggestions?


Lindy Hop Isn't For Everyone

“Lindy Hop isn't for everyone." Someone said this last summer and it's been living rent-free in my head since then. As a complicated truth giving rise to uncomfortable thoughts and feelings, it takes time to unpack, to be clarified, to be understood. This post from Niké Aurea, M.Ed Community Consultant, is helping distill my thoughts.

We discovered Niké fairly recently thanks to Instagram’s algorithm recognizing our research into community and what that word means. The Guilty Feminist shared on social media - “We loved this reminder from @seastersjones: true community isn’t about how often we gather — it’s about how deeply we care. Community requires commitment, accountability, and support. Without those, it’s just regular socialising. At The Guilty Feminist, we believe in building spaces where care is a practice, not a performance.” And elsewhere - “People often mistake socializing regularly for community. If there's no commitment for care, there's no community, no matter how fun the socializing is.”

Sometimes it seems that community is used much like inclusion - to maximally welcome people but oftentimes that inherently favors white, cis, het folks who centered their stories in the midst of the so-called “swing revival” in the 1980s/90s which reverberates today and de-centered Black, queer and other marginalized voices. We find these power dynamics still at play when folks use jitterbug/east coast swing to denote Lindy Hop, use language devaluing the role of following and individuals bringing their own unique expression to dances, and use coded language to denote Blackness while avoiding giving explicit ownership to Black creators for these swing-era traditions. As Niké states in another post, “Some folks genuinely feel comfortable having communities that are primarily white because it feels easier.”

Lindy Hop isn’t for everyone. To quote loudmouthbynature, “What a lot of white liberals don’t seem to understand is that Lindy Hop was an act of resistance against racism. It was a pathway to Black liberation.” So when we dance and teach Lindy Hop, are we resisting racism and white supremacy, and working toward Black liberation?

Kaitlin B. Curtice writes in Living Resistance, “I/you are always arriving” which pairs well with Barrett Holmes Pitner’s, “existence isn’t static.” You/I/we can change. Over the years we’ve changed and still will. It’s active work and one place this works shows up is in our Values and Responsibilities document which helps attune us with potential partners and collaborators.

A cornerstone to our guiding philosophy is the concept of being a cultural surrogate or tradition bearer, as coined by Black dancer, LaTasha Barnes. For us, this means treating Lindy Hop and other traditional swing-era dances as living dances, acknowledging their Black creators, naming what we teach by the names given by Black tradition-bearers, and being a proponent of Black dance tradition values - social, dance, kinetic. These values are reflected in making African-American rhythms visible on the dance floor, promoting equity on and off the dance floor, and sharing traditional jazz dance and social values. We acknowledge that others might enjoy keeping swing simple, light and fun. However, this approach tends to diminish BIPOC voices and experiences while ignoring the multi-faceted nature of Black dances and the realities Black people face. By holding each other accountable and aspiring to be comfortable with uncomfortable truths, we hope to make the swing community a better and more welcoming place for everyone.

Rhythms of Lindy Hop

Early into our Jazz With A Beat class at Stormy Weather Jazz Festival we asked students to work less hard and strip out their triple steps while dancing to Beware by Louis Jordan to which a student behind us said to their partner - "Let's do east coast swing." After we had danced to the complete song, we addressed the topic of cultural appropriation because it's important to discuss this topic and to confront other misconceptions about what rhythms Lindy Hop is comprised of (answer: it’s a lot!).

In the brief amount of time we gave ourselves, we named east coast swing in this context Cultural Appropriation while laying the foundation for this choice with Jacqui Malone's definition of vernacular dance being dance that makes African-American rhythms visible on the dance floor. While triple steps are important for capturing swing music's core rhythms on the dance floor, they aren't the sole rhythm to be employed alongside the vernacular dance and social hallmarks were aiming to employ as teachers and dancers. The possible rhythms are infinite though the most common rhythms seen across 2 beats or a half-measure would be:

Any swing school labeling patterns that are 6-count or containing Slow, Slow, Quick, Quick rhythms as East Coast Swing and/or Jitterbug is doing their students a disservice while engaging in Cultural Appropriation. Disservicing students and patrons comes in because we lose cultural context, stratification between community occurs and we're placing barriers of entry when exchanging rhythms during a dance or growing as a dancer.

It might also be worth directly quoting from Olly Wilson’s paper titled “The Heterogeneous Sound Ideal in African-American Music”:
”As such, the essence of their Africanness is not a static body of something which can be depleted but rather a conceptual approach, the manifestations of which are infinite. the common core of this Africanness consists of the way of doing something, not simply something that is done.”

as we reflect on the fact that a good portion of this class focused on individuality, bringing in the experiences that have shaped us, and setting aside notions of “this is the way this thing (swingout, a rhythm, a tuck turn) is done.

Undergirding the Enthusiasm

“Enthusiasm is the place that you start, but you got to like undergird that with information” - from PillowTalk: History of Jazz Dance hosted by Melanie George featuring LaTasha Barnes. Marie N’Diaye also comments “If you want to create, you need to educate yourself first.” in the Part 1.5 - Ethnocide with Barrett Holmes Pitner talk hosted by CVFC. As a great portion of us swing dancers like myself were raised in spaces devoid of Black vernacular dance and social values, we’ve lacked the language to be tradition bearers or cultural surrogates. We let enthusiasm rule us and, at times, lack the thoughtful care these dances deserve before jumping into the fray.

It’s also problematic that we live in a country steeped in ethnocide, where our ancestors deliberately destroyed ethnic groups’ culture but left the people behind. The applies to both Indigenous tribes and enslaved Africans. We are used to taking without permission, propagating appropriated culture and avoiding uncomfortable truths because of what they might say about us. As Barrett Holmes Pitner said in a talk for CVFC, “Within the American framework we are encouraged to view existence as static” but it isn’t. We can change, better ourselves and help improve the lives around us.

Here are some anti-racist steps people can take to help create a more inclusive welcoming environment and to help undo the harm previous generations have done and continue to do:

  • Center these dances as being from Black culture starting with the first point of contact - online. Instead of stating nothing, America’s swing dance, or originating in Harlem, consider sharing marketing copy akin to “Lindy Hop is a Black dance created in the 1920’s during the Harlem Renaissance” and sharing complimentary visuals when possible.

  • Place these Black vernacular dances within the jazz continuum. For example, we like Rachel Pitner’s viewpoints expressed in this article: “These are dance forms that were created by African Americans during the 20s, 30s, and 40s, and they are rooted in African culture. They are dynamic partner dances that defy and manipulate physics, and they are fun!

    The other day someone asked me to describe in three words why I love this dance, and I said, ‘It is fun. It is true, and it lives. It lives because this dance is a historical art form, but it wants you to invest yourself and not just replicate the past.”

  • Since what we do and say is culturally coded and the default in America is whiteness, we must take a critical eye at our communications. I’m personally critical of how the word vintage gets used because it can speak to how white people culturally preserve things. Without providing context, vintage could be likened to a wine label attributing Lindy Hop to a particular harvest, freezing it in a particular time and allowing it to be plucked from history without its cultural attributes or Black social dance names. This Denver Arts and Venues hosted 1930s Dance event is an example where everything they allude to is steeped in whiteness and white comfortability.

  • Use Black social dances, promote others that do and consider calling people in that use appropriative names. Black dances with their dance and social hallmarks promote freedom. I want that in my life and others.

And, if you need resources, Swingin’ Denver has been amassing resources since 2017. We’re ready to help you build back better.

Lindy Hop as Thoroughly Vernacular

I’m reading Sam Carroll’s thesis paper and came across the following (emphasis mine):
”Both Jackson and Malone draw on Ralph Ellison’s definition of African American vernacular dance, quoting the following passage from Going to the Territory:

I see the vernacular as a dynamic process in which the most refined styles from the past are continually merged with the play-it-by-eye-and-by-ear improvisations from which we invent in our efforts to control our environment and entertain ourselves. And this not only in language and literature, but in architecture and cuisine, in music, costume, and dance, and in tools and technology. In it the styles and techniques of the past are adjusted to the needs of the present, and in its integrative action the high styles of the past are democratized… Wherever we find the vernacular process operating we also find individuals who act as transmitters between it and earlier styles, tastes, and techniques. In the United States all social barriers are vulnerable to cultural styles (Ellison 139 – 41).’”

This is helping me now reconcile my complicated feelings toward labeling Lindy Hop as a vintage dance which Amy Johnson brought to the forefront last year when marketing for Ultimate Lindy Hop Showdown in New Orleans. Here is now a smattering of thoughts from me and others as it relates to Lindy Hop as a traditional dance - “traditional meaning, something that is rooted in tradition, but wholly alive. Of the now, but with some of the old ways preserved in order to connect it to the culture from which it came.”:

  • Notes from a conversation with Gaby Cook about the ideas behind Sw!ng Out and you can learn more through this NY Times article - Swingout! is a modern anthopological exhibition about how swing dancing is a form of humanity. Wants to be a display of swing dance in modern bodies/modern clothes and doing things that feel true to the dancers' bodies.

  • As dancers we are asked to bring ourselves into the dance including our entire lived-in experience. Teachers ought to be asking students to explore their range of personal movement while social dancing inside or outside class while avoiding asking them to re-enact the teachers’ exact movement because Lindy Hop is real now and not just the past.

  • From my experience selling and wearing vintage clothing, vintage was always something plucked from a fixed time period. Lindy Hop, as any vernacular dance, is mutable as seen in Moncell Durden’s documentary, Everything Remains Raw, and continuously spans multiple generations. It seems this could play into the revival myth that places white saviorism and dance colonialism in the midst of Black stories that featured Lindy Hop as ongoing community dance practice.

  • Vintage also communicates very differently between Black/BIPOC and white communities. The idea of vintage can also play into the idea of time travel to an era when Black communities dealt with Jim Crow laws, segregation, and much much more which Grey Armstrong tackles here.

  • From a marketing standpoint, I want to appeal to wide demographics and want potential students to see themselves learning and dancing Lindy Hop. Vintage can be a barrier to entry as people might not want to dress vintage, do a dance that seems to be a reproduction, or do something deemed out-of-fashion.

  • If you were to look at comparable dances including blues, salsa, argentine tango, you’ll rarely if ever find them branding their dances as vintage though some have as long if not longer lineage than Lindy Hop. Again, why does Lindy Hop and its dance peers get the vintage treatment? One theory posits that by labeling a dance as being in the past or even “dead,” one can preserve and do with it as they see fit, therefore separating it from its originating culture.

Overall, I see this as a complicated subject and still want to include people where vintage plays a large role in their lifestyle. I do think labeling swing dances and music as vintage keeps them in the past while new swing content continues to be produced by both dancers and bands. To paraphrase what Rachael Pitner once wrote - To limit Lindy Hop being a “vintage” dance likely sterilizes it and hurts the art form.

Developing the Essence - a Felix & Marie Workshop Experience

Developing the Essence - a Felix & Marie Workshop Experience

The title of their class, Developing the Essence, drew me in. The written description was that they would focus on the intention of the body and the idea of polycentrism both solo and partner. That idea—the polycentrism—is what I see in Marie and Felix’s dancing, and they do it spectacularly. Marie embodies the idea of the follow having their own autonomy in the partnership, and Felix “spotlights” her when she does it.

Feeling Stuck in the 1910s

Stuck in the 1910s is how I currently feel thanks to reading Danielle Robinson’s work. The most impactful article thus far has been The Ugly Duckling: The Refinement of Ragtime Dancing and the Mass Production and Marketing of Modern Social Dance. Take for instance this quote from Troy and Margaret West Kinney from Social Dancing of To-Day:

”Of the original [ragtime] 'trot' nothing remains but the basic step. The elements that drew denunciation upon it have gone from the abiding-places of politeness ... it prefers to be known as the [modern] One-Step. And in the desire for a new appellation it is justified, since no history ever so vividly recalled the fable of the ugly duckling.” followed by Danielle writing:

“While dance writers of the period might attribute such changes to natural aesthetic progression, I will suggest that they, like the particular notion of beauty suggested by the ugly duckling story, were deeply connected with aesthetic values that were distinctly racialized. But this is only half the story; I also argue that innovative mass marketing and production strategies of the 1910s worked together with contemporary conceptualizations of race to facilitate the birth of modern social dance and its supporting dance industry.”

For me learning and dancing swing in Kansas City in the late 90s, Jitterbug arose from the ballroom dance community where Black social dance was packaged, appropriated and commercialized for white audiences alongside neo-swing music. For example, I taught the Shim Sham, though traditionally done on the “8” like many vernacular jazz steps, on the “1” to supposedly facilitate learning since “learning to start on the ‘8’ was too hard.” Improvisation was rarely encouraged with dancers rarely having time to breath with an indeterminate amount of six count patterns interspersed with untold pretzels and similar shapes which demanded a follower’s attention less a partner’s shoulders got stretched beyond their limits. Leading and following properly was enforced with me, predominantly occupying the leader role, being told “if something didn’t go right, then it’s your fault.”

“Taylor-like emphasis on control, however, enabled modern dance teachers to exert greater influence over social dancing practices through a strategic highlighting of 'correct' technique and a de-emphasis on independent choice making by dancers.”

“It also meant that modern dance re-asserted a male-centrism on the social dance floor -even though, or perhaps because, teaching dance during the early twentieth century had the potential to 'empower . . . women to claim a new professional identity' and dancing in public spaces 'afforded women a certain autonomy.'“

Besides eliminating kinesthetic elements that spoke to Lindy Hop’s Black roots, you’ll also see swing dance schools avoid mentioning its Black roots in writing. Contrast that with Katrina Rogers’ upcoming Blues Dance Series leading with Black Vernacular Expression in the title or 5th Element Center for Dance in Aurora writing this under Jazz - “Jazz dance originated from Black communities in the late 1800s & 1900s. It combines performance with social & cultural dances that were emerging at the time of its development.” In Grey Armstrong’s most recent iLindy blog post, a Black dancer shared - “I would love to see the history and culture acknowledged on a regular basis. It was created for Black folk by Black folk and was (as were most things) stolen and sold back to us.” What is preventing others from talking about and marketing the Black roots of vernacular dances?

”For this reason, ragtime was perceived as black, owing to the 'one drop' rule for black racial identity that operated during this period. The refinement process then, involved the removal of ragtime's blackness in part because 'black' was not yet marketable in American culture, as it would become in limited ways in the 1920s. This problematic marketability, I would argue, can be linked to ragtime's implied miscegenation and thus, its threat to dominant ideologies of race purity and the idealization of American national identity as 'white'.”

For Swingin’ Denver, we used to allude to the Black roots of the dance without being explicit such as what’s in an old Groupon deal, “In fact, the jitterbug is notable for a different reason: though it has a different name, it’s exactly the same dance as the original version of swing, the Lindy Hop, which emerged in Harlem’s Savoy Ballroom in the mid-1920s.” or we’d center ownership with white America - “Here's your chance to learn America's dance, the lindy hop.” It’s difficult to recall my reasons ten years past, but I recall imitating others and still feeling shame and embarassment from my Kansas City days. Fortunately, Lindy Focus introduced me to Breai Mason-Campbell where I was challenged to do better and grapple with my past and the feelings around those days.

In fact, all of us can likely do better. The past, whether our own or others, need not define our present and future actions.

The Dance is Called Lindy Hop

Here's an excerpt from a conversation about urban dance that we can see reflected in current naming struggles within the Lindy Hop community. "Urban is problematic because it is not a racial term. It eliminates race. You're taking away the people from the dance."

You can likely draw a line from this statement to swing schools and instructors utilizing terms such as "jitterbug" or "east coast swing" to label classes teaching Lindy Hop with slow and quick rhythms. Whether their intentions are good or not, the more we get away from the origins, the more we erase Black ownership. And, while names change as things evolve, what people call "east coast swing" or "jitterbug" was a devolving or simplification of Lindy Hop.

Swingin' Denver has long since scrapped our own Jitterbug classes, but up until 2019, we had called the beginner swing dance classes we taught at outdoor events "beginner swing dance," jitterbug" or "east coast swing." We did not call it Lindy Hop.

Only after a lot of reading and listening during the pandemic did we make the switch which has been even more emphatic this year. My thoughts and feelings had finally firmly coalesced that we would confidently state we are teaching Lindy Hop with its vernacular dance hallmarks while teaching a particular rhythm (slows and quicks) danced to excellent swing music.

I'm happy to be in this spot since we are now more consistent with what we offer, believe and support. We could not celebrate Lindy Hop, a Black social dance, in one hand and erase the Black origins in the other.

We still have more growing and learning to do, but I wanted to share these thoughts with our audience. I hope other swing dance school will reach these conclusions soon.